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iceb1977 Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 20:26 Der er 23 kommentarer og
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Hvor er scroll funktionen ?

Hej jeg har fået lavet en skjult frame for at få mine icq status indikatorer til at virke men nu forsvandt scroll funk. så hvordan får jeg den??

Der ligger siden:

http://friserverplads.dk/iceb/frames.html

Den består af to sider

http://friserverplads.dk/iceb/default.asp

og

http://friserverplads.dk/iceb/sframe.asp

Håber på et hurtigt svar....

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iceb1977 Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 20:27 #1

På

http://friserverplads.dk/iceb/default.asp

virker scroll funktionen godt men hvorfor ?

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 20:31 #2

<ole>
Lær lidt HTML til en start! Her er der stort set ikke noget rigtigt - og du frabeder dig jo selv scrolling i den pågældende frame:

<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\"
content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">
<title>Ice-B-World</title>
<frameset rows=\"*,0\" frameborder=\"NO\" border=\"0\" framespacing=\"0\">
<frame src=\"default.asp\" name=\"main\" noresize scrolling=\"no\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheigth=\"0\">
<frame src=\"sframe.asp\" name=\"skjultFrame\" noresize>
</frameset>
</head>
<body>
Hvis du kan se dette, understøtter din browser ikke frames. And that\'s just TOO bad!
</body>
</html>

Følgende ser heller ikke godt ud:

</table>
Hold musen hen over personens ICQ status for og se IP´en! 

</html>


/mvh
</bole>

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 20:36 #3

I denne fil er der stort set ikke én linie uden fejl - og de er grove(!):
http://friserverplads.dk/iceb/default.asp
Du må starte på en helt frisk ...forfra og om igen ;o)
/mvh

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 20:49 #4

Du har skrevet scrolling=\"no\" i din framesfil - så kan man ikke scrolle!! Skriv istedet =\"auto\" - så fungere det mester!! :)

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 20:52 #5

By the way er der ikke én eneste fejl i følgende kode, som olebole ellers påstår!

<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\">
<title>Ice-B-World</title>
<frameset rows=\"*,0\" frameborder=\"NO\" border=\"0\" framespacing=\"0\">
<frame src=\"default.asp\" name=\"main\" noresize scrolling=\"no\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheigth=\"0\">
<frame src=\"sframe.asp\" name=\"skjultFrame\" noresize>
</frameset>
</head>
<body>
Hvis du kan se dette, understøtter din browser ikke frames. And that\'s just TOO bad!
</body>
</html>

---->>
Du retter bare scrolling=\"auto\"

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 20:54 #6

2cool >> nope - frameset\'et vil altid være alt forstort til siden med den kode. Prøv dog at se den:
rows=\"*,0\" bør være rows=\"100%,*\"
Frameset\'et ligger i head\'en.
Der er både frameset-element og body-element i samme dokument.
Derudover er der en del mindre fejl.

Dertil kommer et \'default.asp\', der stort set ikke indeholder andet end fejl. Hvis det kommer til at køre *noget* sted, er det på trods!
/mvh

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 20:54 #7

2cool >> Lær lidt HTML, hva\'? =oD

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 20:55 #8

Dog har <ole> ret i at filen http://friserverplads.dk/iceb/default.asp er fuld af fejl - her er en fejlrapport :)

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 20:57 #9

border=\"0\" - må ikke stå i et frameset.
marginwidth=\"0\" marginheigth=\"0\" - må ikke stå i en frame.

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 20:59 #10

OK OK OK Ole - </head> skal være før et frametag-start, og (*,0) skulle nok have være et tal større en 0 i hvert fald, men nødvendigvis ikke % som du skriver. Det kan godt være en fast størrelse. Syntax : rows|cols({pixel|%},{pixel|%})

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 21:02 #11

Kom nu ...lad være med at slås mod vindmøller! Frame\'en skal fylde 100% - vær venlig at angive det i absolutte tal! =oD

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:02 #12

olebole - må det ikke!! Underligt det virker så!? Hvad så med leftmargin og topmargin som er de samme tags, bare til MSIE? Så det vil jeg slet ikke give dig ret i! - Det kan godt være det ikke overholder standarden, men det er også fordi browserne ikke følger standarden så!!

Med hensyn til bodytags og frametags i samme fil, og at det heller ikke skulle være lovligt vil jeg meget gerne se dokumenteret, for det må det gerne!! Det er den eneste måde du kan sende en \"pæn\" fejlmeddelse til nonframe browsere!

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:04 #13

frame i fast størrelse!! Hvad hvis man ønsker en menu hvor framen skal passe til grafikken? Må man så heller ikke have en fast størrelse. Desuden kan man vel lige så godt bruge * hvis den SKAL fylde 100%

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 21:05 #14

Årrrhhhh ....hold op - du aner ikke, hvad du snakker om! Check selv HTML-standarden!
...og hvad er det dog for noget ævl:
\"Det kan godt være det ikke overholder standarden, men det er også fordi browserne ikke følger standarden så!!\" ...?!?!?!

Standarden er standarden, hvad enten browser fabrikanterne holder sig til den eller ej.

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:07 #15

Nå ok smartass - fint nok!! Så vil jeg også til at følge standarden, for jeg er da pisse ligeglad med om browseren kan vise min side!!

Gå ud og tag en smertestillede ole, jeg tror du trænger til at slappe lidt af!!

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 21:08 #16

Jeg har ingen smerter - men hvorfor forholder du dig ikke til sagen? Du kender ikke standarden for HTML. Længere er den ikke =o)

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:10 #17

....men svar til iceb fortsat!

Jeg aner ikke hvem som har lavet siden, men prøv http://www.esbjerg.dk - vælg view source og stjæl lidt kode derfra, det virker da i hvert fald - selvom det måske ikke følger standarden!!! :o)

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:12 #18

Nej, men jeg har kode HTML siden 1995 - og jeg har ALDRIG haft så meget som én eneste klage over mig kode, og mine sider virker i alle gængse browsere!! - og sorry olebole - nu gider jeg sgu ikke høre på dig mere!!

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iceb1977 Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:12 #19

aha ok

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iceb1977 Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:13 #20

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:16 #21

Ellers kan man jo se i HTML standarden at jeg havde ret mht. frames
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/present/frames.html#h-16.2.1

Læg specielt mærke til dette!!
The next example creates three columns: the second has a fixed width of 250 pixels (useful, for example, to hold an image with a known size). The first receives 25% of the remaining space and the third 75% of the remaining space.

<FRAMESET cols=\"1*,250,3*\">
...the rest of the definition...
</FRAMESET>

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 21:34 #22

HTML4.01:
\"7.1 Introduction to the structure of an HTML document
An HTML 4 document is composed of three parts:

a line containing HTML version information,
a declarative header section (delimited by the HEAD element),
a body, which contains the document\'s actual content. The body may be implemented by the BODY element or the FRAMESET element.\"

Altså et <frameset>-element *eller* et <body>-element. Læser du videre, vil du se, du ikke kan bruge <body> uden at inkludere den i et <noframes>-element - og det står ikke engang tydeligt, om det overhovedet er tilladt at bruge den der! Vi havde diskusionen for nylig på Eksperten og blev enige om at tolke standarden derhen, at <noframe>-elementet erstatter både <frameset>-elementet og <body>-elementet. Det synes også at være den gængse mening i internationale kode-fora.

Hvad angår frameset\'et:
\"16.2.1 The FRAMESET element
<![ %HTML.Frameset; [
<!ELEMENT FRAMESET - - ((FRAMESET|FRAME)+ & NOFRAMES?) -- window subdivision-->
<!ATTLIST FRAMESET
%coreattrs; -- id, class, style, title --
rows %MultiLengths; #IMPLIED -- list of lengths,
default: 100% (1 row) --
cols %MultiLengths; #IMPLIED -- list of lengths,
default: 100% (1 col) --
onload %Script; #IMPLIED -- all the frames have been loaded --
onunload %Script; #IMPLIED -- all the frames have been removed --
>
]]>\"

Alt andet skal sættes med CSS. Dog ved jeg godt, du ikke kan sætte frameborder og framespacing med CSS - derfor nævnte jeg heller ikke det ...til gengæld ingen border!

Jeg skrev:
rows=\"*,0\" bør være rows=\"100%,*\"
...fordi NS slet ikke kan vise den første. Det har intet med standarden eller metodens \'lovlighed\' at gøre - men netop udfra hensynet til, hvordan browserne fortolker koden ;o)

Jeg giver mig på spørgsmålet om marginwidth=\"0\" marginheigth=\"0\" i <frame>-tag\'et. Det er endnu ikke blevet fjernet, selvom det er W3C\'s erklærede mål at slippe af med alle visuelt knyttede attributter i tags.

Alt i alt må det siges, at: \"By the way er der ikke én eneste fejl i følgende kode, som olebole ellers påstår!\" er skudt en del ved siden af ;o)
/mvh

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2cool Nybegynder

18. december 2001 - 21:44 #23

Standarder eller ej - jeg vil gerne trække den overbevisende sætning: \"By the way er der ikke én eneste fejl i følgende kode....\" tilbage, men så gal var den heller ikke alligvel!!

..og vi er her jo for at hjælpe manden, ikke for at svine hans kode til!! ;o)

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olebole Juniormester

18. december 2001 - 22:08 #24

Hmmmmmm .....nej, ikke svine den til - men påpege, at der er \'huller mellem fejlene\'. Alt andet, mener jeg, ville være at gøre spørgeren en bjørnetjeneste. Problemet er netop spørgerens manglende kendskab til basal HTML og hvordan sproget er struktureret.
Det er såmænd ikke så frygtelig længe siden, jeg selv var der, men den eneste måde, man kommer videre, er ved at få påpeget sine fejl ...og her er der altså noget at ta\' af ;o)
/Peace og God Jul *<|:o)

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