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You retrieve it from the folder "deleted mail" or "slettet post"

If you deleted if from "slettet post" then its gone for good, as far as I know.

nah, it has to be somewhere else...

Patricco why do u assume that?

Because Windows doesn't delete files completely. It always stores them somewhere else.

Zx

And u think that the message, do u want to permanently delete mesages, mean do u want to store them other place?`
You could probably get it back if u send in your harddisk, and IBM or somebody else do an atomic slice of the plates.
The answer as gnarf says is NO, accept it.

The problem as I see it is that the mails are not really files, they are inside the outlook.pst file somewhere. If I were the programmer of Outlook, I'd store the mail in "slettet post" when the user deletes the mail. And then when the user deletes from "slettet post" then I'd remove the mail completely from outlook.pst and update all necessary indexes. Therefore, as I see it, the mail is effectively gone.

gnarf and ravelin are wrong...

but there's no need to get upset about it.

What happens when you delete a file or 'post'. Where does it go? What kills it?

If perverts delete photographs of naked women and kids, how come those pictures can be found?

You should really brush up on your conspiracy theory lessons like me. Good films to educate you in all this Bill Gates hidden agenda stuff is: 'Conspiracy Theory' Mel Gibbon and any of Will Smitt's 'serious' movies - also The Matrix is good for a laugh.

Watch those movies first and then come back and tell me my mail is lost forever...

Now go soak your heads.

Zx

As I told u Patricco, atomic slice of the harddisk...... Cost about $200000 so go ahead.
Are u using an Exchange server? Cause then it might be possible.

Yes I am.

But Gary Glitter got caught with some kiddy porn after he thought he'd deleted it by putting it into his papirkurv and thinking it was gone.

6 months later his computer broke down and he needed it fixed. The local computer store found the disagreeable material on his harddisk which proved that the papirkurv hadn't deleted it properly.

And what's all this 'atomic slice' business? $2000000 indeed!

You've been watching too many movies young man!!!

Zx

(ps..ok, you win)

In exchange, if u'r administrator has set it up, there is an undelete.
That means that if u delete something from "slettet post" its still on the Exchange server for XX days (No it has nothing to do with porno :-) )
He should do this to prevent doing a restore if a user deletes an important mail.
I always win ;-)

BTW if you don't delete your files from papirkurv, then ofcourse you can retrieve 'em. Thats the built in security for dummies.
But that has nothing to do with mail which is a completely different story.
I can get technical on ya, u know! :-)

In most cases deleted files are not really deleted in the first place. This goes for most operating systems, it is not Windows specific. Usually when a file is deleted the only thing that happens is that the reference to the file in question is renamed in the file system's list of files (in DOS that would be the FAT). The data portion of the file still exists, but is freed so that it can be overwritten when the space is needed. Until the file is actually overwritten it is indeed possible to restore the file's contents. In them there good ol' DOS days Norton Undelete was THE tool. Some more "mature" Operating systems, like for instance OpenVMS can actually erase a file completely. The command delete/erase (filename) in OpenVMS totally erases the file's contents. It does so by overwriting the file's data-area with null values. But.. disk repair tools exist, that can re-create even such files. Fact is that there is some sort of magnetic "shadow" of the former data on the disk even when new data (like the null's) are written. If you don't want your data to be retrievable only proper tool is a hand grenade :-)

Sokristi wrote:
"In most cases deleted files are not really deleted in the first place." 

Get that one, ravelin!

By the way, don't watch 'Shakespeare in Love'. It's really boring with no emails in it at all. In fact, now I come to think of it, there weren't any
computers in it at all. Just a few swords and a lot of beards.

Zx

Again Patricco....
Atomic Slice, or what the hell its called, is what he is talking about here: Fact is that there is some sort of magnetic "shadow" of the former data on the disk even when new data (like the null's) are written.
Anyway, u asked, and the answer is still no. I know about the pointers, but how the hell will you restore these? In good ol' DOS days Norton WAS the tool for DELETED files.
If you found a tool, your mailbox file still wasn't deleted, it has just been changed.

Anyways Patricco, was my answer before regarding Exchange of any use?

I guess so.

I imagine stuff deleted from a network comp can be saved somewhere else.

Watch 'Jerry and Tom'. No computers or points for watching it but still a great film.

Zx